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General Category => Plug / Lure Building Forum => Topic started by: handyman on January 15, 2010, 08:19:46 AM
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Question??.....i have two badger 150 air brushes there ok....... but they dont perform as well as i would like....just cant trust there operation... it seems i just cant get them right ive changed the basic parts on them also thinned the paint..im just not to happy with there performance........so im in the process of buying a new one .............but i figured id get some input from the salty bugger fan club..on other brushes..................thanks!!!!
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iwata eclipse. do you have an ac moore anywhere near you? they have big discounts with coupons up to 50% off, mostly 40 tho. goes for about 130.00. get your coupon and it's a steal at 65.00 :)
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thanks numbnuts ill check it out
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Just what Numb said. I run a Badger 360 and 2 Iwata Eclipse HP BCS. Work great. Nice lines with the Iwata
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yea BT thanks ill start hunting on line
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HAY NUMBNUTS.........went on line found AC Moore close by plus i can print that cupon on line off there web site....so ill check them out tomarrow
you-da-man!!!! thanks and also thanks to bob thomas
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what they said, I got the 50% at ac moores and got that brush bear's air has some deals too
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hay stripercrazy...........yea i picked up the hp bcs i went to ac moore per numbnuts.....and took bob thomas suggestion as well hey those pikies looked good..............yea i can feel the differance between the badger 150.....and the iwata eclipse.............ill start to test it out tomarrow...........thanks for the replie
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learn how to resize your pics and post them :)
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yea i have to do that......ill ask my daughter she came home for the weekend
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what kinda paints are you using
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any thing i can get my hands on.................NOT!!......auto air waterbased/createx....any suggestions
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I think createx is what most guys use.
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hay numbnuts.........yea i generaly use createx..........i just have to thin it out and goes the same for auto air........just a little.....oh well off to work
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num nut, bob thomas, and stripercrazy the iwata brush works great, you guys are right about the detail..........and thanks for steering me in the direction AC moore
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clean it good ;)
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1/3 simple green...1/3 windex...1/3 water...I think bernzy posted this a few years ago and it works great
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hay thanks!!! i was cleaning the gun last night with mediea cleaner (came with the gun).........and was thinking about makeing my own solution...........and u saved me the leg work
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Simple green(as posted), spray nine, white vinegar or ammonia works great to clean out dried paint
I think one of the the best banf for your your buck airbrushes is the DeVibliss DAGR. They have the quality of an Iwata Kustom(around $300) but the DAGR sells for around $120 to $130. I own the Iwata HP-CS and may get the DAGR in the near future. The best thing I have seen for your airbrush is a inline or at brush pressure regulator. Iwata has a nice one with filter that you can get for around $15-$20 or so
For paint I use Golden, Liguitex, Delta and few others. I have about 60-70 bottles of Createx that I dont use. With the Auto-Air you are suppose to thin/reduce w/ 4011 Flash Reducer this aids in thinning and drying. Using the 4011 and use heat to cure gives far better results then thinning w/water. Acrylic paint has to be heated to fully cure
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After buying a couple of expensive air brushes that sucked, I discovered the factory in china that makes them "all"... and they have a blowout seller who seels on ebay. I have purchased 10 airbrushed from him and they work just fine :) average price is 25 bucks each. The sellers name is Peco_london.
They have a model called the 182 its a bottom feed .05 nozzle and it paints everything including glitter flakes :)
I thought I would share this info with you... maybe you'll save afew bucks..
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i just love my iwata...........i will check out the 4011 reducer i like the 1/3 simple green..1/3 windex..and 1/3 water for cleaning thanks for the info awesomejohn ill check that 182............but im sold on the iwata hp works great and has good detail
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Greetings,
Here is a direct link to an AC Moore .pdf "40% off any one item" coupon (good till 2/20/2010)
http://images.acmoore.com/Coupons/07_10couponsol.pdf (http://images.acmoore.com/Coupons/07_10couponsol.pdf)
Cheers,
Mark
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the Ac moore by me stopped stocking iwata airbrushes
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Ours too just the badgers and I have one of those great if you want to spray bulk useless for detail.
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Just wondering if anyone is using anything different for topcoating other than etex or devcon. I've been using devcon 2ton 30minute 9oz kit from MyAtomic.com. I just don't know how the two comapre or if there is something better. From what I understand the etex is harder to work with due to longer set time but produces a clearer finish (do fish care?). I'm tempted to try Krylon Industrial Tough Coat Cear Topcat in spray bombs but can only find it in case lots.
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say seaviewer i use flex coat but i have to turn it on a rod dryer do to the set time...i havent tried devcon or etex.....etex might have to be turned like flex coat on a dryer.......whats the devcon like.........im gona hit that site i like the 30min set time..............fish dont care........we just make our plugs look good to catch humans........later!!
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handyman, the devcon looks good to me but i don't have anything to compare it to. It's reportedly harder than etex so I'm worried about it shattering on the rocks.
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hay sweet plug that som bitch has fish written all over it.........aah i think youll be alright with the rocks...........its those toothie lil buggers that will saw that thing in half...........i gotta post some of my plugs.............i just dont know how to compress a file...........i gotta ask my kids..............nice work
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i plan on trying system three, 2 part epoxy
i was wondering if anyone here has tried it ?
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i plan on trying system three, 2 part epoxy
i was wondering if anyone here has tried it ?
Isn't that from West? If so I know someone who uses it and he does not care for it much. I sent him some Etex and just loves it. With the Etex you have to turn or flip the plugs. I built a spinner using a rotessiere motor from a grill and it is great. I also know a guy who has been building for years and builds about 600 or so plugs a year. He swears by Etex also, the finish is very durable and looks awesome when done right. Most of the guys I know that build plugs also use Etex, and when I say build I mean turn your own from a square.
With cleaning your brush. I also when painting keep a 5 gal bucket next to me and a small container with solution and a larger one w/ water. I have a rubber tube that I slip over the nozzle and spray right into the bucket(w/ lid on it-hose goes through small hole) The hose prevents all that fine water mist from spraying all over the place. Every once and a while I run some solution through it. It only takes me a couple minutes to flush out in between color changes. If I feel I'm starting to get a clog I just run some solution in the brush and let it sit for a couple minutes then spray out. Usually Spray Nine works great, some times I keep white vinegar or amonia handy as it is more potent
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njfish, can you post a pic of that spinner?
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njfish, can you post a pic of that spinner?
Well if you need to see the design here are a few pics. This one is not mine but almost identical. The big difference is that I sandwiched ridgid board insulation on the exterior of box. Lights are to generate heat inside box as I like to get it around 90 but anything over 80 is good. If you keep it around 90 you only need to spin for a few hours as Etex will be sticky enough not to sag.
I actually have 2 of them one is a double whhel and one is a single. i did the small single as I use it inside the house. My next one will have pulleys to speed it up abit as the motors spin at 2.5 rpm and I want to spin at 5 to 7.5 rpm but 2.5 works fine( I should just leave well enough alone but I never learn)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bknapik1/spinner3.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bknapik1/spinner2.jpg)
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oops one more pic
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bknapik1/spinner1.jpg)
Keeping the spinner box warm does 2 things
1. Speeds up the setup of etex
2. Maybe most important is that when the etex and air is warm it also the etex to completely level out and leave a almost perfect finish.
When using etex if you have any bubbles I use a micro torch and clear out the bubbles in mixing tray as CO2 breaks down the bubbles(has to be CO2). If I get any bubbles on plug (almost never I clear them out in tray) then use micro torch and pass it buy the plug. I hold hand next to it to test heat as you dont want it to hot and also don't let flame touch plug. I mix my Etex in the plastice tray that electrical tape comes in(almost like a pitre dish) and apply with acid brush. I also like to warm my plugs first and make sure that Etex is not cold. After you get good you can do about 3 to 8 plugs before you need to mix more Etex as it starts to set up. If Etex is too warm then it will set up super quick. For your first try I would mix about enough Etex to do about 2 or 3 plugs, then adjust it from there on others
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say nj NICE great idea..............i see you can kill two birds with 1 stone........i see the top turning rod with the eyelets is for the plugs..........and the bottom turning rod without the eylets is for the oven stuffer roaster ;D ;D ;D
good job!
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I agree, good job. Box, bulbs and hangers. Thanks for posting your Pics.
nj those motors look familiar, are they off of a grill rotisserie? If not please advise.
Assuming they are grill motors, did you use the 5/16 square rods? I saw on line that you can get 5/16 . round stops with set screws that could possibly be used for bearings ??
Saw a gal fly tier using same for turning epoxy heads. Pulled mine off today ...
Bought 5 of Salty's kits at the Philly show. Nice to meet Scott.
Now I'm in the process of getting my sh**t together... What sealer to start with, paint, hand tools etc.
Checked all the local "Home Stores" for small bolt cutters ($40) and round nose pliers, No go.
Stopped at the local Ace hardware on the way home, picked up a pair of 8" bolt cutters for $12.
Tried them out, nice close, clean cut. Easy on the hand. Would go with the Nipex if I were doing production work like Scott. Will be ordering the round nose. I actually enjoy the hunt... Spending money!
Thanks,
Tom C.
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I have used rod and also threaded rod. Another one I made used the square rod. I had a ton of thread rod so it works well the other/others I'm making. All I had to do was grind the end of the rod abit. I like the threaded stuff as I can use nuts and fender washers to hold the ends in place. for hanging the plugs I use wire, eye hooks and (I forget the name) hooks on each end with long coupling nut in middle-used to pull wire tight. I had also rigged up a small one that actually used the chicken holders and strung plugs between them. I had mounted the motor and other end holder on a long board- I had used this one till I had the other box setups done.
The one I'm making now will have belts and pullys to speed up abit but will also have a removable carriage(where plugs are held) so I can epoxy then just drop into box to spin-I got the concept(idea) fron the Ronco set and forget cooker-I'm sure I wont have finished in a while as I have many other things on my plate
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The box in pictures-I'm pretty sure uses round rod and bearings are not needed.
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This is a picture of my old homemade lathe duplicator but I had to make new one as I put the old one on my bumper and drove away
Actually sorry this is a picture of the new one I'm making to replace the old one. The piece sticking out is a carbide tipped lathe bit, the old one had a carbide insert and holder. This one still does not have the handles and quide installed on it yet
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bknapik1/newdupe.jpg)
This was the old one I lost on the side of the road-effing pissed off
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/bknapik1/sideviewfinish.jpg)
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say nj........i thought that was an anvil................say did u ever think about building a cnc machine.........the black tooth cnc.........seems u got talant.........i like the dryer for your plugs.......top rotisserie is for your plugs.........and the bottom is for the oven stuffer roster
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say nj........i thought that was an anvil................say did u ever think about building a cnc machine.........the black tooth cnc.........seems u got talant.........i like the dryer for your plugs.......top rotisserie is for your plugs.........and the bottom is for the oven stuffer roster
lol
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say nj........i thought that was an anvil................say did u ever think about building a cnc machine.........the black tooth cnc.........seems u got talant.........i like the dryer for your plugs.......top rotisserie is for your plugs.........and the bottom is for the oven stuffer roster
I have actually looked at some of the homemade CNCs. I need to find the info on building one. The ones I saw seemed to work well, there are several videos on youtube. I had built a duplicator using a router with xy axis but the bits I tried sucked. During the summer I will rebuild router dupe using an endmill as this will cut much better. I looked at the Vega w/ router attachment but they are big bucks
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I'm impressed with you guys who can build your own cnc machine.
I would have problems operating one, never mind building one.
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Yes, There's a lot of talent here at this site.
nj, 3/8" all thread, had been using it for years, HVAC/Plumbing. Out of touch... ???
Thanks for the "Wake Up!"
Tom C.
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say nj........yea i saw the videos on u tube on the cnc's.....black tooth comes as a kit 4x4 or 4x8 u tube has the complete assy instructions
i have the vaga duplicator for my lathe and it works great
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say numbnuts the machanics is easy and installing the steppers solidering the drivers is ok to........but hooking it all to the computor im lost.......ive been looking around......i cant afford it now........but ive seen this kit called black tooth cnc.....check it out...........but some day ill build it......its just risky to spend that kinda money.......and get frustrated jerking around with the soft ware........im stupid when it comes to that :)