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General Category => Plug / Lure Building Forum => Topic started by: Tom on March 21, 2013, 08:06:02 PM
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I tried using Createx Wicked and I have been having problems. After spray on my primed plug the paint separates and looks like a snake skin . I sanded and cleaned with wax and grease remover. I believe it is a temp issue. My basement is 60 degrees. I am guessing this paint works better at higher temps. I have had no problem with enamels and lacquers.
Any thoughts?
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It sounds like your saying it splits apart if that is the case something underneath it doesn't like it or is not fully dry.
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I use Minwax sanding sealer and Rustoleum ultra cover primer. The Minwax I let dry for a few day. With the primer I let one sit for a few days and one was 24 hours. The paint laid smooth then split and gathered. Usually a wax or grease issue. Does Minwax have oils in it?
Thank you for replies
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Some sealers have wax in them but I think you have something else here. There's a solvent under your paint that is causing it to separate.
Take a piece of wood and seal like normal, then change your primer to something else. Then paint and see if it happens again. If it does then you know it's the sealer being incompatible with either the primer or the paint...
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Thank you. I will try switching out primer and sealer.
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Minwax Sanding Sealer (Yellow or Black Can) (Resin based, good with multiple dips by itself) Try to stay away from shellac based sanding sealers. Lacquer sealer is the best (black can)
I use the black can. I knew I saw this one somewhere. What is your primer of preference?
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Are you using spray cans?
I recently had one crack up on me because I didn't wait the full 48 hours for my top paint coat to dry (as the Rustoleum can stated). I figured a day was long enough and I sprayed a clear coat over it :bash:
I wanted to make sure that was the reason for the cracking so I tested it out on an old piece of wood and I got the same result after 24 hours.
Lesson learned.
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Bin primer in red can works well...
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I see bin and bulls eye 1-2-3 are water base.
Thank you for the help.
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bin in a red spray can is ALCOHOL based
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spray can
i don't know what's in a brush can.
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I looked at the spec sheet for gallon cans.
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There is ethanol in the product but it can be thinned with water. I will stick with the one you sugested.
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There is solvent in every paint if you looked at the ingredients. Latex/water based is usually ethylene glycol
I would try some of the bin red spray can. It's a shellac based primer also.
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many of use probably do not look at what is in the can until there is a problem.
point and spray
Thank you for you help.
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Tom,
I may be new to making lures, but I'm no stranger to Createx paints. I've been using Createx Textile & Auto Air paints on T-shirts, helmets, and auto parts for over 25+ yrs.. I've never had any problems, like the one you mentioned above. I can best break it down like this: Createx paints are a water-based paint. Wax & Grease remover is not. It sounds like you didn't allow enough time for the air dry process. Sometimes, the paint will bead up, or separate when it comes into contact with another product that's not water-based. As a former auto body painter, I've seen this happen in tech school a few times. And it's frustrating having to start all over. Products that not the same product as what you're using will have varying results when mixing one another. I use auto body products from Eastwood Tools, and so far, I haven't had any problems.
Go here: http://www.eastwood.com/paints.html (http://www.eastwood.com/paints.html)
As far as room temps go, Createx sprays good at 60 degrees, but like you said, it will spray much better with warmer temps. I have a ¾ HP Rol-Air compressor that I have set to 70 psi when I spray. I set it high to avoid paint build up on my airbrush's nose cap/tip.
I've included a pic of a helmet I painted using Createx Auto Air Paints, House of Kolor Auto Klear, and House of Kolor Striping Kolors. I plan on using the same paints on some plug kits I bought at the saltwater show in RI this year.
- Jeff
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SICK paint skills. Show some more. Man I'd love a crash dummy helmet LOL
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And welcome to the forum.
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Thanks Scott! Here are some pix of my work on T-shirts using Createx Textile Paints. Also included a license plate blank (the diamond plate is fake, I painted that). A trio collage I did of the helmets. Air cleaner & Valve covers from my old pickup.
- Jeff
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You are extremely talented with an airbrush. The air cleaner and valve covers look wicked cool what a great idea. How much would you charge to paint a helmet so it looks like a crash dummy helmet with the brain sticking out
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nice work
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Like the helmet above, without the granite look? I charge about $20 per/hr., which is cheap compared to what a pro would charge (usually $50+ & up). I've just started getting back into painting again. When I'm bored, I practice painting on anything - lawn tractors, dented motorcycle gas tanks, bowling pins, etc.. I have no idea what a "crash test dummy" helmet/head looks like, so a good reference pic helps out a lot. I'm slowly buying Createx's Auto Air paints at 5-6 bottles every month. Those little 4 oz. bottles ain't cheap!
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Thank you KayakFisher1967 for your reply. I have been using Testors paint lately. I am going to try the Createx again soon.